The purpose of One Man's God is to see how I can take the creatures of the various mythos as they appear in the Deities and Demigods and see how they could have been represented as AD&D demons. NOT Abrahamic religion demons, or even esoteric or occult demons, but AD&D demons as they appeared in and defined by the Monster Manual, Fiend Folio, and Monster Manual II.
That is my first rule. So no need to come at me saying "X culture did not have demons." Not only are demons in D&D not real, no demons are real, so by that logic no culture has demons, but all cultures have stories of demons and stories can be retold.
Also, this is NOT a criticism of the research methods of the original authors and researchers of the Deities and Demigods. It is easy for me to criticize sitting here in my office chair in 2021 with access to pretty every written book, scholarly article, and more in any language at my fingertips. They had the local library. So another rule is I can't criticize the material based on what I can research now. I can use research from now to help inform my opinions, but that is all.
I can look a little beyond my sources here (D&DG, MM, FF, and MM2) to see what could fit into these based on the rules above. But I am not going to add to much more beyond that. That's what Monstrous Monday is for.
Ok? Cool? Great!
Today I want to hit one that was HUGE back in the 80s. Japanese Mythos.
Growing up in the 80s you could not help be nearly overwhelmed with references to or from Japanese culture. Well...not real Japanese culture, a weird American version of it for mass consumption. Ninjas, karate, Richard Chamberlain running around in a kimono on TV in Shōgun, and more than I can remember. I even got caught up in it all and found some Japanese myths to read, in particular the tales of Momotarō (the Peach Boy).
It was odd that almost none* of what I read connected back to the myths in the D&DG. Now I see that their myths are too widely varied, complex, and even some had not been translated to an easily consumable English version. Some concepts in Japanese do not have good English equivalents. My first year in grad school I took Japanese as an extra elective, I found it extremely fascinating and remarkably difficult. The Deities & Demigods even touches on this with the concept of Kami. We would use the word like "god" or "spirit," even in the Goddess Amaterasu we get the word "Omikami" or more appropriately, Ōmikami.
*I will talk about what did connect.
The Gods and Goddesses
Despite how interesting these myths are and how much they were likely used, there are only five pages of them in D&DG and only 13 entries. There are heroes, which is really important for the tales, most of the stories of Japan are about the exploits of the heroes. Of these, I only recall reading about Yamamoto Date. But that has far more to do with Me not reading everything on Japanese myths.
Of the Gods the best known are the trinity of Amaterasu (the Sun Goddess, "the great august deity"), Tsukiyomi (the Moon God), and Susanoo (the God of Storms and Seas). Now, these are the stories I know well. I am remarkably pleased that the depictions and stats match up well with my personal ideas of what these gods are. Amaterasu is easily the most powerful god in this book, thankfully for the mortals, she is Lawful Good. In my games, there was no greater foe of the undead than her. And let me just say I am so pleased the authors did not take the easy way out and make Susanowo Chaotic Evil and went with the more appropriate Chaotic Neutral.
A couple of Goddesses that I remember reading about didn't make it in. I mean I easily see why, but still, it would have been nice to see them.
Ame-no-Uzume
Ame-no-Uzume is the Goddess of the Dawn and for her role in the story of Amaterasu and the Cave she is the Goddess of Revelry. In many ways the "darker" versions of Amaterasu and Ame-no-Uzume can be found in my "Nox" and "Syla" the goddess of the Dusk and Near Dark.
But back to Uzume. I am not the first to point this one out and many others more read than me have done a better job. But if you want to bring Ame-no-Uzume all you need to do is turn a few pages back to the Indian myths and bring over the similarity named Ushas, the Goddess of the Dawn. Her stats are pretty much perfect as is.
Mizo-Game
Oh, Mizu Game. How you have vexed me over the years.
So WAY back in the day I decided to take karate lessons, their was a local place that was offering Isshin-ryū Karate and I decided to join. I spent a couple years doing it. I was good, not great, but I felt like it achieved my then goal of getting some extra exercise. The important part for today is the Isshin-ryū patch. I was told that the half-woman/half-dragon goddess on the patch was Mizo-Game a Sea Goddess. So naturally, I wanted a character that worshipped her. But outside of Isshin-ryū I could not find out anything about her. And you know what? I STILL can't. Every so often I get the idea to search for her again and I have only limited success.
Now with this post, it's going to mess with my search algorithms even more!
I had hoped to find a goddess I could borrow from other myths, like I do for Uaume, but nothing came up. She would be a Lawful Neutral demigoddess of the sea. She related to dragons and to the other gods.
Demons
While this is all fantastic. There are no monsters here, let alone any demons.
A while back I talked about the Yaoguai or Chinese demons. The name means something like "strange ghost" or "strange devil." In Japan, similar creatures are called Yōkai. Which also means "strange apparition."
In my games, Yaoguai and Yōkai are both different lineages of demons that are related. There are no creatures listed in the D&DG that would count. The closest we get is the Ogre Mage, also called the "Japanese Ogre" in the Monster Manual. BUT that creature is obviously based on the Oni.
Are Oni demons or yōkai? I am going to say no. The tales of Momotarō, also known as the Peach Boy, feature many Oni, and while they are powerful and even a little supernatural, but they are not really demons. Sadly even branching out into the Oriental Adventures does not help here. Though there are also Ushi-oni that are very much yōkai and Oni are said to have come from the "demon gate/"
For demons and yōkai it would seem I am on my own and I have a lot more research and reading to do.
Expect to see some Yōkai in future Monstrous Mondays. Will I reclassify Oni as demons? No idea yet.
It's too bad that with all the material out there on Yōkai that so little to almost none made it into AD&D.
There is only one more set of myths left in this series and I am hoping it will be a big one!
I love this project. I remember buying martial arts magazines and trying to convince my parents to let me order a ninja outfit and weapons.
ReplyDeleteSearching for the goddess of isshin ryu, I got decent results. She's apparently a being the founder saw in a dream or something. Mizo-Game is a misspelling of Mizugami(water goddess) which she's referred to by in the States. She has the appearance of a daughter of Ryuujin, but she's no traditional deity in particular.
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