Well. Not actually, but I am considering completely redoing all the Outer Planes in my D&D-like games, and the lower planes in particular.
My goal here is to restructure it is such a way that it works better for me and what I am doing in my games, and yet still be compatible enough with other iterations of the game, de that original game, OSR, or other OGL sources, that I can grab something off the shelf and make it work.
Over the years I have talked about Hell, the Abyss, and other places such as Xibalba, Tartarus, and Tehom. Pathfinder has added some of these realms into OGC, or rather have made SRD connections to Public Domain names (like Abaddon).
I would also like to work in places like Sheol as well and homes for all the demon species I have been working on.
Hell
Hell of the D&D universe is much more akin to the ideas of Hell from Greek myths, Dante, and Milton than it is from Judeo-Christian sources. There are some ideas here from other myths as well.
According to Dante, the main named devil in Hell is Lucifer/Satan. He also mentions Geryon and names 12 individual Malebranche devils ("evil-claws") on Hell's eighth level, called here Malbolge.
According to Milton, the main devils are Beelzebub, Belial, Mammon, Moloch, and Satan. But on his way to Hell, possibly when he passes through Night and Chaos, are Orcus, Demogorgon, and Hades.
One of the first things I need to do is at least come up with some names for the Nine Circles / Nine Layers of Hell. At least most people agree on nine.
Layer | Name (D&D) | Name (Pathfinder) | Name (Dante)* | Deadly Sin (Dante) |
1 | Avernus | Avernus | Limbo | Virtuous Pagans |
2 | Dis | Dis | Lust | |
3 | Minauros | Erebus | Gluttony | |
4 | Phlegethos | Phlegethon | Greed | |
5 | Stygia | Stygia | City of Dis | Wrath |
6 | Malebolge | Malebolge | Heresy | |
7 | Maladomini | Cocytus | Violence | |
8 | Caina | Caina | Malebolge | Fraud |
9 | Nessus | Nessus | Pandæmonium* | Treachery |
I can't use the "D&D Column" with an OGL/OGC book, but the "Pathfinder" one is fine. Well. It is fine, but lacks something for me. For now though I am going to use these.
*City of Pandæmonium
From Milton (Not Dante). This is the great city in the lowest circle of Hell. I am certainly going to use this.
Once I get my layers worked out I'll need to figure out who rules them. The current (and some former) rulers are here. Using D&D layer names.
Layer | Name | Archdevil | Deadly Sin (Mine) |
1 | Avernus | Druaga/Tiamat/Bel/Zariel | * |
2 | Dis | Dispater | Envy |
3 | Minauros | Mammon | Greed |
4 | Phlegethos | Belial/Fierna | Sloth |
5 | Stygia | Geryon/Levistus | Wrath |
6 | Malbolge | Beherit/Moloch/Malagard/Glasya | Lust |
7 | Maladomini | Baalzebul/Beelzebub | Gluttony |
8 | Cainia | Mephistopheles | Pride |
9 | Nessus | Asmodeus | * |
I do like the idea of aligning Lord/Layer with a Deadly Sin.
Now, not all of these Archdevils are OGC, and frankly I would rather use one of the Ars Goetia demons as the rulers. In other cases, I am making changes. Tiamat is a Chaotic Evil "Eodemon" in my games. Geryon is also now a "rage demon." Druaga, or maybe now just Druj, will also be something else.
At the moment I have about 650 demons and devils detailed for my Basic Bestiary II but none are sorted or detailed beyond basic descriptions. I need to start figuring out who "lives" where.
Links
- Going (Up) to Hell? Cosmology
- Post 666
- Oh Hell!
- G is for Geryon as a demon, not a devil
- S is for Satan, or what is Asmodeus keeping in his basement?
- Druaga, OMG: Babylonian, Sumerian, and Akkadian, Part 1 (now a demon)
- Buer, The Great President of Hell
Doh!
ReplyDeleteHave you ever run adventures in hell or is this all cosmology for Clerics and anti-clerics and such? I've never run a high enough level game to even consider the characters going to hell but I'm curious how it would be handled.
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ReplyDeleteYes. I had a long campaign that I called "A Soujurn in Hell" for many years. The PCs went to Hell to searching for the soul of a departed comrade that they believed was dragged to Hell when she killed the human (mostly human) general of Hell's armies.
It was a suicide mission and the death toll was high. But they managed to raise a small army, only to have it wiped out by Asmodeus himself.
The story of this adventure became backstory for my later Buffy RPG campaign, The Dragon and the Phoenix.
That sort of thing always seemed like the likely end-game for high level play that I'm surprised hasn't been covered a lot more.
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